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Re: Infuriating! Please help!

Postby sotos65 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:07 am

Likvid Wrote:Because it's a fact, many of these DVB cards are not designed correctly and not tested enough, why do you think most GPU cards have external power connectors?


Because graphic cards need more power than pci-e can safely provide, but it is also true that most of them need way more power than any DVB card, which may or may not have an external power connector. So what's your point now, TBS6925 is "poorly designed" because it doesn't have an external power connector? Well, most DVB cards don't have one, and as far I can see your Netup also does not have one. So much for "facts".
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Re: Infuriating! Please help!

Postby Likvid » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:10 pm

sotos65 Wrote:
Likvid Wrote:Because it's a fact, many of these DVB cards are not designed correctly and not tested enough, why do you think most GPU cards have external power connectors?


Because graphic cards need more power than pci-e can safely provide, but it is also true that most of them need way more power than any DVB card, which may or may not have an external power connector. So what's your point now


If the card draws more power than the standard says the PCI-E slot will get burned and i don't think Asus or any serious manufacturer would not design their PCI-E slots to specs, all their boards are fully tested by PCI-SIG to ensure they live up to electrical specifications.

And the other thing it's not a power problem in OPs case, why do you bring it up all the time? TBS already answered that the board can handle 500mA.

Only TBS knows the answer but they won't say.

sotos65 Wrote:TBS6925 is "poorly designed" because it doesn't have an external power connector? Well, most DVB cards don't have one, and as far I can see your Netup also does not have one. So much for "facts".


In the case which you state that Asus burned the slot seems to source to that the Skystar2 cards aren't built either to specs, this problem could have been avoided with a external power connector as security, you understand? but Skystar2 took the cheap route and avoided external connector, don't blame Asus for some cheap chinese card burning the PCI-E slot.
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Re: Infuriating! Please help!

Postby sotos65 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:17 pm

don't know what your problem is,


Actually the problem is yours, you don't miss a chance to post your "problem" with TBS6925 in every forum you are member, satellites.co.uk, dxtv.de, here, who knows where else. It has become an obsession...

you don't seem to get it after all, if the card draws more power than the standard says the PCI-E slot will get burned and i don't think Asus or any serious manufacturer would not design their PCI-E slots to specs, all their boards are fully tested by PCI-SIG to ensure they live up to electrical specifications.


Please, do your homework first, there was a bunch of Asus motherboards with a chipset made by Nvidia around 2005 that did burn when used with Skystar 2s, and it was Asus's fault. Some horror stories to prove my point...

_http://www.dvbviewer.tv/forum/topic/7761-skystar2-and-a8n-sli-deluxe/
_http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=3188
_http://www.avforums.com/forums/sky-sky/282908-skystar-2-not-compatible-nvidia-chipset.html
_http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38623/?o=1860
_http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/satellite-pc-card-receivers-internet-satellite/61572-skystar2.html

In the case which you state that Asus burned the slot seems to source to that the Skystar2 cards aren't built either to specs, this problem could have been avoided with a external power connector as security, you understand? but Skystar2 took the cheap route and avoided external connector, don't blame Asus for some cheap chinese card burning the PCI-E slot.


So it was Skystar 2's fault that those motherboards burned, and not Asus's? So why other motherboards with the same chipset didn't get burned? It is obvious here where to put the blame, but you just deny it...

Only TBS knows the answer but they won't say.


Yep, there is a big conspiracy here... :roll: :lol:
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Re: Infuriating! Please help!

Postby Likvid » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:37 pm

sotos65 Wrote:Actually the problem is yours, you don't miss a chance to post your "problem" with TBS6925 in every forum you are member, satellites.co.uk, dxtv.de, here, who knows where else. It has become an obsession...

Please, do your homework first, there was a bunch of Asus motherboards with a chipset made by Nvidia around 2005 that did burn when used with Skystar 2s, and it was Asus's fault. Some horror stories to prove my point...

_http://www.dvbviewer.tv/forum/topic/7761-skystar2-and-a8n-sli-deluxe/
_http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=3188
_http://www.avforums.com/forums/sky-sky/282908-skystar-2-not-compatible-nvidia-chipset.html
_http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38623/?o=1860
_http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/satellite-pc-card-receivers-internet-satellite/61572-skystar2.html


If the problem being Nvidia it's Nvidias fault and not Asus which in this case is not true.

I've done my homework, if Asus had these problems then many other cards would have burned on the Asus board as well, the problem here is isolated to one manufacturer and card, doesn't that remind you of something? poorly designed card maybe? if SS2 card had a external power connector this burning slot problem wouldn't have existed.

As always it's the smallest common dominator that is the problem, Skystar2 card.


sotos65 Wrote:So it was Skystar 2's fault that those motherboards burned, and not Asus's? So why other motherboards with the same chipset didn't get burned? It is obvious here where to put the blame, but you just deny it...



Why would Asus take the blame for something that is isolated to one card on the market? just read all forums, DVB cards have all kind of strange problems if you don't buy a real professional card that actually is tested on the platform before going on sale, BDA drivers are crap when it comes to running Diseqc motors, it's all dirty hacks to make it work of some kind.
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Re: Infuriating! Please help!

Postby sotos65 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:42 pm

To mods. delete this message please, no point for arguments here...
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